I am using the latest Bib8 with the Patch downloaded this morning (May 11). At home, when I use Quick Add I get a citation placed within the references folder of Bib8 and all I have to do is a bit of minor editing (which is a REALLY NICE feature). At work, when I try Quick Add, I get a downloaded citation in Bibtex form which I then have to import physically into Bib8. Not as nice, as it is slower, and does not let me verify easily that I have downloaded the article I want. Why is the behavior different on one vs the other. My machine at work probably goes through an institutional firewall, but my home machine has some kind of firewall also. (I would use paragraphs for this request but for some reason my carriage return does not work in this window).
It is likely that your work
It is likely that your work computer has the bibtex file associated with an application. Can you post or email some screenshots of using Quick Add at work?
what is correct association?
I also get a bibTeX reference, in my case opening in my text editor. I have previously associated bib files with my text editor as my main use was to verify prior to producing some LaTeX file. However, I would like to be able to use the Quick Add feature. What exe should I associate bib files to?
You should associate it with
You should associate it with Biblioscape. Biblioscape can then automatically import the reference.
Did that - now it hangs
Did that - now it hangs instead. I have gone back to associating with my text editor because I can then just copy and import with the clipboard. By the way, if the folder I am importing to has no existing records, then the quick add button gives an access violation prior to searching for the reference.
I reproduced the Access
I reproduced the Access Violation error once when using Quick Add on an empty folder. But I tried many times after that and can no longer reproduce it.
I'll try to do that. In the
I'll try to do that. In the meantime.
I did a search for rutledge 2009 "climate change" and this is what I got.
What gives?
No rutledge, No 2009, No "climate change" (pretty much the same without the quotes)
@article{holt1997tfi,
title={{A theoretical framework for intraguild predation}},
author={Holt, R.D. and Polis, G.A.},
journal={American Naturalist},
volume={149},
number={4},
pages={745},
year={1997},
publisher={UChicago Press}
}
Don
Not sure why it returned
Not sure why it returned this result. What is the record you expect to see?
Something totally different.
Something totally different. One authored by a guy called Rutledge and printed in 2009 and with content about climate change.
I did a different search on an article I had written in 1976 and the result bore NO relationship whatsoever to what I was looking for.
Are there any magic words that one uses when using this module. Should you use quotes, or commas, or anything?
The program works fine at home.
Don
I would use first author's
I would use first author's last name, year it was published, and a couple of words in the title. Do you mean the same search string returned different result when searching from home and work PC?
Absolutely. I didn't try
Absolutely. I didn't try the Rutledge one at home, but the Spady one gave me the right reference at home but garbage at work.
Don
Absolutely. I didn't try
Absolutely. I didn't try the Rutledge one at home, but the Spady one gave me the right reference at home but at work it gave me garbage once and today it gave me another spady and a different year. If I put in Spady 1976 energy expenditure, I got the right reference, but it still came out as Bibtex and had to be opened in an editor to be imported. Today, If I do rutledge D 2009 coal I get an article by a guy named Rutledge, which has coal in the title, but was printed in 1980!! No mention of 2009 anywhere in the citation. Here it is
@techreport{rutledge1980are,
title={{Alaska Regional Energy Resources Planning Project. Phase 2: coal, hydroelectric and energy alternatives. Volume I. Beluga Coal District Analysis}},
author={Rutledge, G. and Lane, D. and Edblom, G.},
year={1980},
institution={DOE/EV/73002-1 (Vol. 1), Alaska State Div. of Energy and Power Development, Anchorage (USA)}
}
IF i put in Rutledge 2009 Coal I get the following:
@techreport{herbert1927sdc,
title={{Subsidence due to coal mining in Illinois}},
author={Herbert, CA and Rutledge, JJ},
year={1927},
institution={BM-BULL-238, Bureau of Mines, Washington, DC (USA)}
}
Again, 1927, no mention of 2009 anywhere.
There is a bug in here somewhere. I didn't spend any time last night at home trying out Quick Add, but when I used it a couple of days ago it worked really well and I was impressed. Less so today.
The default import filter for some reason is Bibtex, which I hardly ever use, and I don't know how to change it in Quick Add.
Don
I cannot reproduce this. If
I cannot reproduce this. If Quick Add doesn't add the right record, try to add more keyword to it. Or you can use Online Search. On the "Web Search" tab, select Google Scholar, it will capture first 10 records that best match your search.
This morning I did a Quick
This morning I did a Quick Add search for "prinn 2009 climate"
What I got was
@article{odoherty2004rgh,
title={{Rapid growth of hydrofluorocarbon 134a and hydrochlorofluorocarbons 141b, 142b, and 22 from Advanced Global Atmospheric Gases Experiment (AGAGE) observations at Cape Grim, Tasmania, and Mace Head, Ireland}},
author={O'Doherty, S. and Cunnold, DM and Manning, A. and Miller, BR and Wang, RHJ and Krummel, PB and Fraser, PJ and Simmonds, PG and McCulloch, A. and Weiss, RF and others},
journal={Journal of Geophysical Research-Atmospheres},
volume={109},
number={D6},
pages={D06310},
year={2004},
publisher={American Geophysical Union}
}
You will note that there is NO "prinn", NO "2009" and NO "climate"
What is going on??
I don't expect perfection on a Quick Add, but I at least expect the ballpark.
Don
The QuickAdd tool is
The QuickAdd tool is designed to add a reference you already know it exists. It is not a searching tool. If the author "Prinn" has not published a paper in 2009 about climate, you will get something that must match your query. It may not be the one you expect. When you are not sure about a paper, you can use the "Online Search" tool instead of Quick Add. Thanks, Paul
I agree. You would expect
I agree. You would expect something that would match the query, but in this instance NOTHING matched the query, not the name, date, or topic. I did a quick ISI search for climate and 2009 and got 665 hits. You might expect that one of these would show up rather than the totally unrelated material that I got.
I know I was fishing for an article that I was uncertain had been entered into a bibliographic database (It was published in a Journal but it could have been a pre-print from which a newspaper got its material). Nevertheless, I would expect some kind of match with at least one of the terms.
Don
It matches words from that
It matches words from that article's abstract. Since abstract is included in the word matching, not just keywords. Sometimes it can be way off because any word can appear in an abstract. Again the tool is designed for quickly adding a known reference.
Aha! That may explain it. I
Aha!
That may explain it.
I am not sure if looking in the abstract is such a good idea. Most QuickAdd stuff (I would think) would contain something from the title plus an author name. An abstract is just too broad.
Don
I think adding more
I think adding more information works fairly well. But it still brings up the Bibtex note that I have to physically enter into Bib8.
When I do QuickAdd I get two windows. One on top of the other.
The 'bottom' window (which I see when I move the top window out of the way) has a blue header that says
0% of scholar.bib from scholar.google.com Completed
and there is a box (long thin box like you see when a piece of software is being installed) that is empty. with
Getting File Information:
scholar.bib from scholar.google.com
long box
Estimated time left
Download to:
Transfer rate:
square box: Close this dialog box when download completes
then
Open Open Folder and Cancel (The Open and Open Folder are greyed out) The Cancel is live.
On the next box is
Do you want to open or save this file
Name: scholar.bib
Type bibfile, 276 bytes
From scholar.google.com
Open Save Cancel (3 live boxes). I usually save. If I try Open, it prompts me for the program with which to open it.
Hope this helps.
Don
Don, I don't know why your
Don, I don't know why your work computer behave differently. Which version of IE is running on that computer?
My work computer has IE8;
My work computer has IE8; home IE7. My main browser everywhere is Firefox.
Don
I tried on machines with IE8
I tried on machines with IE8 and IE7. They all works. Can you email me the screenshot of the message you got?